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KingDun34 · 04-17-2021, 08:42 PM

Hello I am new to the Chevy world and I just got a 2013 Camaro 2SS and the only modification done to it so far is a cold air intake that was already on the car when purchased. I am making this because I want to eventually make at least 550+ to the wheel and I have no clue where to start in terms of modifications. Could you guys help me out?... if possible have a order in which I should have things done so I don’t mess anything up. Thanks in advance for the help! (PS I still would like to drive it as if it were my daily driver )

CamaroCracka · 04-17-2021, 08:54 PM

Leave it stock; you will save a fortune.

Otherwise, start with a pile of cash go get some form of forced induction.

BuddyLee · 04-17-2021, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KingDun34

Hello I am new to the Chevy world and I just got a 2013 Camaro 2SS and the only modification done to it so far is a cold air intake that was already on the car when purchased. I am making this because I want to eventually make at least 550+ to the wheel and I have no clue where to start in terms of modifications. Could you guys help me out?... if possible have a order in which I should have things done so I don’t mess anything up. Thanks in advance for the help!

If I recall when I dyno my 2SS/RS 2013 I was at 350 hp stock to the wheel. I wish I could find the tests to confirm that. But the car turns 13.5quarter, equal to my stock 87 GN. Both have CAI.

TheFlyingBananaSS · 04-17-2021, 09:17 PM

Turbo or supercharge kits will get you there no trouble. And you can still daily it. You wouldn't even need a cam with some of them.

morepowerjoe · 04-17-2021, 09:22 PM

I'f I was you I would give Gwatney Performance and Texas Speed a call because they sell everything that you will need to get where you want to be and ask them what they recommend because they specialize in our cars.

CuseZilla · 04-17-2021, 10:10 PM

Of course forced induction (pro-charge, supercharge, turbo...) will get you leaps and bounds quickly if you have coin for it. Not sure what you’re budget is but the motor needs to breath. Toss some headers and a full exhaust on to start. I am very happy with Texas Speed. If you plan to seriously peruse power and torque, go forced induction ASAP, slap meth injection system on. Charger pulleys upper and lower. You’ll need to find a Dyno for mods. Cam and internal upgrades will go far. Good luck brother!

fz4k98 · 04-18-2021, 09:18 AM

Set aside $10k to supercharge it and another $10k to fix all the broken stuff and tires.

Moto-Mojo · 04-18-2021, 09:37 AM

You could move to CA, spend what you would mod on the simple cost of living and risk a CARB beatdown or being cuffed for a muffler delete.

Moto-Mojo · 04-18-2021, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by fz4k98

Set aside $10k to supercharge it and another $10k to fix all the broken stuff and tires.

InFiD3ViL · 04-18-2021, 09:41 AM

You need to decide if you are trying to do this NA or forced induction. NA can be done, but it is likely going to require an LLSR setup and some very nice (expensive) heads, and a different aftermarket intake manifold. The heads would need to allow increased valve angle so you can run a much larger cam and of course you would want to get that compression up a few points. The big problem here is that you are still going to be limited with displacement, which is where a stroked build would come into play. Most people wouldn't want to daily a build like this though...although I know more than a few here that would love to give it a go! Obviously there is much more to what I am getting at here for an NA build for over 550rwhp, but this can give you an idea of where you would need to be part wise.

Or you can take the easy route and go with a blower or turbo setup, as said above. There are plenty of ready fit kits for our cars that can take you well above 550rw reliably.

Moto-Mojo · 04-18-2021, 09:51 AM

Seriously, I wonder about the ‘reliability’ part. Sure, a whipple or maggy probably gets you there with one bolt on project. And I know many tout the trouble free miles they’ve DD’d theirs but if you drive it like I know I’d want to drive it, how long before this stuff goes?

Trans
Driveline
Diff half shafts

I think the OP is aware but it seems even 550 rwhp is a pay to play prospect. Well beyond the initial price. But that’s the cost of fun, I guess.

gunchamp · 04-18-2021, 09:59 AM

Supercharger or turbo is the easiest way to get to where you want to be. Its not cheap so be prepared. I built my top end first and it was fun. Now im installing a centri on top of that. Its a sickness lol, but not a cheap one

CamaroCracka · 04-18-2021, 10:10 AM

Turbo and centri aren't as hard on the driveline because the power comes on later. If you don't put a big sticky tire on it and try to launch at a drag strip, things can last pretty well. I will say that I find the vert with an NA 416 build more fun to drive on the street than the turbo car, but 450whp is probably a more realistic goal for a DD NA build. As Infidevil said, 550whp NA is pricey and unruly on the street.

There are lot lots of things the OP is not considering, potential driveline issues being one. Just because you make a lot of power does not mean it will be a world beater. Lots of suspension and brake mods needed to make them truly fast cars. Also, everything that makes them faster, generally makes them less enjoyable for daily driving. In other words, he needs to decide how many reliability and drivability issues he can put up with.

One thing that has not been mentioned is nitrous, but I don't view that as a good power for the street, albeit effective if you do it right and pay attention to what the car is telling you.

KingDun34 · 04-18-2021, 05:52 PM

Thank you all for the help! I really do appreciate it because as you all are telling me different scenarios I am learning a bit more and more with each response. However after looking through all of the responses so far I think I want to change my desire till about 450+ hp to the wheels while being NA. Solely because I am still new to this amount of HP as is, so I believe 450+ is more reasonable for me. So if anyone has any tips or set ups where I could reach this goal please let me know. This will still be used sort of as a daily, PS - could you list the mods in order to prevent any unnecessary damage

04-17-2021, 08:42 PM	#1
KingDun34 Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS LS3 Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: Savannah Posts: 3	2013 Camaro 2SS Ls3 (Goal is to 550+Hp to the wheel) Hello I am new to the Chevy world and I just got a 2013 Camaro 2SS and the only modification done to it so far is a cold air intake that was already on the car when purchased. I am making this because I want to eventually make at least 550+ to the wheel and I have no clue where to start in terms of modifications. Could you guys help me out?... if possible have a order in which I should have things done so I don’t mess anything up. Thanks in advance for the help! (PS I still would like to drive it as if it were my daily driver ) Last edited by KingDun34; 04-17-2021 at 09:13 PM. Reason: I forgot to add I still want to drive it as if it’s still a daily but I forgot to mention

04-17-2021, 08:54 PM	#2
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 2,757	Leave it stock; you will save a fortune. Otherwise, start with a pile of cash go get some form of forced induction. __________________ 2010 SS - On3 kit with downpipe cutout, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1/1LE brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. ZL1 brakes.

04-17-2021, 09:17 PM	#4
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,260	Turbo or supercharge kits will get you there no trouble. And you can still daily it. You wouldn't even need a cam with some of them. __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.

04-17-2021, 09:22 PM	#5
morepowerjoe Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro l99 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,127	I'f I was you I would give Gwatney Performance and Texas Speed a call because they sell everything that you will need to get where you want to be and ask them what they recommend because they specialize in our cars. __________________ DSS FX Forged Pistons, Eagle ESP L19 Forged Rods, ARP Head and Main Studs, TSP PRC 260 CNC Ported Heads milled .030, Cometic .040 Head Gaskets, GPI SS3 VVT Camshaft, GM Performance Racing Lifters, CHE Trunnions , Molly Pushrods, Melling 10355HV Oil Pump, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Fast LSXR Intake Manifold, Nick Williams 103 TB, TSP 1 7/8" Longtubes with 3" TSP Exhaust, ZL1 Fuel Pump, Mishimoto Radiator, Mishimoto Oil Cooler, Tru Cool 40k Tranny Cooler, 3600 Circle D Converter, Fluid Dynamics Balancer Build Thread https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609817

04-18-2021, 09:37 AM	#8
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,978	You could move to CA, spend what you would mod on the simple cost of living and risk a CARB beatdown or being cuffed for a muffler delete. __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

04-17-2021, 10:10 PM	#6
CuseZilla Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro Join Date: May 2018 Location: Liverpool Posts: 8 View My Garage	Of course forced induction (pro-charge, supercharge, turbo...) will get you leaps and bounds quickly if you have coin for it. Not sure what you’re budget is but the motor needs to breath. Toss some headers and a full exhaust on to start. I am very happy with Texas Speed. If you plan to seriously peruse power and torque, go forced induction ASAP, slap meth injection system on. Charger pulleys upper and lower. You’ll need to find a Dyno for mods. Cam and internal upgrades will go far. Good luck brother!

04-18-2021, 09:18 AM	#7
fz4k98 Drives: 2013 1ss Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: WI. Posts: 521	Set aside $10k to supercharge it and another $10k to fix all the broken stuff and tires.

04-18-2021, 09:41 AM	#10
InFiD3ViL Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS LS3 Swapped A6 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Spring Hill, FL Posts: 4,581	You need to decide if you are trying to do this NA or forced induction. NA can be done, but it is likely going to require an LLSR setup and some very nice (expensive) heads, and a different aftermarket intake manifold. The heads would need to allow increased valve angle so you can run a much larger cam and of course you would want to get that compression up a few points. The big problem here is that you are still going to be limited with displacement, which is where a stroked build would come into play. Most people wouldn't want to daily a build like this though...although I know more than a few here that would love to give it a go! Obviously there is much more to what I am getting at here for an NA build for over 550rwhp, but this can give you an idea of where you would need to be part wise. Or you can take the easy route and go with a blower or turbo setup, as said above. There are plenty of ready fit kits for our cars that can take you well above 550rw reliably. __________________ 2010 CGM Camaro 2SS LS3 Swapped A6 - GPI LS3 SS1 .647/.638, (224/237, 112 +4, 7º overlap) on CamMotion 8620 core, BTR Platinum .660" Dual Spring kit w/titanium retainers, CHE bronze trunnion upgrade, stock heads milled @ .015, Melling HV 10296 oil pump, TSP 1-7/8" long tube headers (W/Catless Off-road Pipes), Corsa Xtreme 3" Catback, GPI Ported/Rod Mod Intake, Stage 2 Ported Throttle Body, Vararam OTR CAI, Mike Norris Gen 2 catch can + GM 1LE clean side separator, 160º thermostat - Megan Racing adjustable coilovers (lowered 1.75"), MRR M017 10/11" wheels-Tuned by Ryan @ GPI

04-18-2021, 09:51 AM	#11
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,978	Seriously, I wonder about the ‘reliability’ part. Sure, a whipple or maggy probably gets you there with one bolt on project. And I know many tout the trouble free miles they’ve DD’d theirs but if you drive it like I know I’d want to drive it, how long before this stuff goes? Trans Driveline Diff half shafts I think the OP is aware but it seems even 550 rwhp is a pay to play prospect. Well beyond the initial price. But that’s the cost of fun, I guess. __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

04-18-2021, 09:59 AM	#12
gunchamp Drives: 15 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Mountains of central PA Posts: 1,442	Supercharger or turbo is the easiest way to get to where you want to be. Its not cheap so be prepared. I built my top end first and it was fun. Now im installing a centri on top of that. Its a sickness lol, but not a cheap one __________________ 15 Camaro SS- GPI max top end, ESS Vortech V3 9psi, ID 1050s, ZL1 pump, JMS bap, Long tubes, Corsa extreme, Circle D pro 5C, 391 rear, DSS carbon drive shaft, poly cradle bushings, tuned by Ted Jannetty and much much more

04-18-2021, 10:10 AM	#13
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 2,757	Turbo and centri aren't as hard on the driveline because the power comes on later. If you don't put a big sticky tire on it and try to launch at a drag strip, things can last pretty well. I will say that I find the vert with an NA 416 build more fun to drive on the street than the turbo car, but 450whp is probably a more realistic goal for a DD NA build. As Infidevil said, 550whp NA is pricey and unruly on the street. There are lot lots of things the OP is not considering, potential driveline issues being one. Just because you make a lot of power does not mean it will be a world beater. Lots of suspension and brake mods needed to make them truly fast cars. Also, everything that makes them faster, generally makes them less enjoyable for daily driving. In other words, he needs to decide how many reliability and drivability issues he can put up with. One thing that has not been mentioned is nitrous, but I don't view that as a good power for the street, albeit effective if you do it right and pay attention to what the car is telling you. __________________ 2010 SS - On3 kit with downpipe cutout, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1/1LE brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. ZL1 brakes.

04-18-2021, 05:52 PM	#14
KingDun34 Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS LS3 Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: Savannah Posts: 3	Thank you all for the help! I really do appreciate it because as you all are telling me different scenarios I am learning a bit more and more with each response. However after looking through all of the responses so far I think I want to change my desire till about 450+ hp to the wheels while being NA. Solely because I am still new to this amount of HP as is, so I believe 450+ is more reasonable for me. So if anyone has any tips or set ups where I could reach this goal please let me know. This will still be used sort of as a daily, PS - could you list the mods in order to prevent any unnecessary damage