Ed Peper confirms New Camaro engine to have 400+ HP V8 w. AFM and 300+ HP V6

[Emu the Foo]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

What's in a name? 400 horses by any name would sound as sweet.

not if it was a 400 horse civic. see name counts. jk, im messin but it ise possible for civic. seen a 640 something hp civic. anywho i like the way tag thinks. only i thought z/28 wasnt any difference in engine performance??? only handleing really

[TAG UR IT]

Z28 back in the day was a handling package. Only now, why not give up different options...both w/ an LS3. Just toss on a SC for one of the two variants.

Sure, they might do a complete suspension deal. But, why would you put out two versions, offer up the suspension for one and a SC for the other? That doesn't make sense to me. I see it w/ a base V8...good everything, better Z28 or SS w/ upgraded engine, and a final SS or Z28 w/ an upgraded engine and suspension (IE GT500 killer). I just think the LS3 would be the engine offered in both of these...if not the first run year, definetly the second run.

Originally Posted by 3whiterag

I think that the top dog Camaro will have well over 500+ hp. As a well known person once said, "Keep the Faith"!

Nuff' said!!!

[SilverTurtle]

I think you're all thinking about engines that already exist... you're not thinking far enough ahead of the curve.

[swazworth]

i question some of the things his says on here but....Captain did say LS3, and the Fbody threaten to send to his house :paddle

Originally Posted by 3whiterag

Hmmmmmmmm.

makes me say

Originally Posted by fbodfather

We intend to be the best out there.
Period.

i have to say that i think the father is wrong on this one, well wrong might be the wrong word. i think he is just being pc and not just coming out and saying what he really wants to say...... so i will

"This is going to be the badest mother F'ing car to come out in the new school pony wars. Nothing will even come close. Think about it people, we are saying 400hp for the base model V8. the new F%#d limited addtion "Bullitt" has only 315hp, thats a collectors cars. shut up about the headlights, the gas cap, and the rest of the meaning less things, 400hp base. priced at or near the same price as a "pink pony" which might just stop selling cars right now. we want to be and will be the biggest dogs on the block. when you pull up to a new pony car of any of the other makers, we want the driver to slide down in his/her seat and not look at you in the eye. because they are scared, they are so scared that they don't even look over to see your driving a V6, that might just give them a chance off the line. the camaro is going to chew up and spit eveything else out. when you drive this car off the lot people will stop and pull over so you can drive by them, because they are so scared of the animal that is under your hood. the pure american muscle car is back. it back and here to stay. 400hp is only the start. keep the faith"

i don't know the father at all but if i was him that is what i would want to say. but a man in his possition can't, but i can.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

To each their own, personally I don't care about how high tech an engine is, so long as it makes the right sounds and gives the proper numbers. And by proper numbers, I mean hp, torque, weight, cost, and fuel economy. If an engine gives me all those in reasonable ammounts, I'll be happy with it. But high tech hurts cost and reliability, OHC's go for high revs over torque, something that I'm just not a fan of. OHV's are smaller and lighter. So overall, I'd rather have an OHV engine. Also,

One myth that I would like to address at this time, is about how OHV's are old while OHCs are new. OHV's are older, by about 20 years, possibly less. Not that big of a differance when looking at 100 years of automotive history.

What if high technology increases performance, reliability, and efficiency? Honestly, I don't care what acronym GM comes up with for all the features of the engine so long as it has the power and doesn't break down.

Modern engine design is a far cry from the days of big bores, long strokes, and tri-powered carburators.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by Emu the Foo

i know my sig says it all but now im kinda sad. i dont want an l76. i want the name LS3. but what ever. and maybe it could be a gen V. tha would make it better. but it makes sense because since when have they put corvette engines in camaros. but like i said. im kinda depressed bout the news/ but live and let die. maybe this is all wrong too. but prolly not. i just thought we were promised an LS3

It's been pointed out on some forums, Camaro does not always get "hand me down" Vette engines. The '67 Camaro SS was the first Chevy to get the 350cid engine, it did not go into the Vette until '68. LS3, LS?, 6.0L, 6.2L, I don't really care what it is (as long as it's a V8) or what they call it as long as the performance is there.
Clyde

[smokn']

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

I think you're all thinking about engines that already exist... you're not thinking far enough ahead of the curve.

EXACTLY! i'm ready for gm to get up to speed with the reliability of technology that ferrari, bmw, and other high end car makers use.

fastball, couldn't have said it better myself.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by fastball

What if high technology increases performance, reliability, and efficiency? Honestly, I don't care what acronym GM comes up with for all the features of the engine so long as it has the power and doesn't break down.

Modern engine design is a far cry from the days of big bores, long strokes, and tri-powered carburators.

High tech is generally less reliable than low tech. Murphys law says that anything that can go wrong eventually will. So, the more fancy you get the more it will break. Im sorry but thats just the way it works. Also, new ideas are more likely to fail than old ones. It takes time for technology to mature. So it is unlikely that you can get a high tech performer that is extremely reliable. Why? Look at BMW, Mercedes, and Ferrari. If there is something new that is simplier than the old, that changes everything. And if you can get a reliable hightech performer, its likely to cost an arm and a leg. Of performance, relibility, and cost: pick two. You can never get everything

Anyhoo, we've gone off topic with this now.

[smokn']

fair enough, to each his own dgthe3. but i still want me some gen v! i see it this way, the automobile world is changing and it wouldn't be a bad idea to get something with performance and fuel efficiency. why not a flexfuel? you never know what we'll need 10 years down the road.

[z28camaro2471]

Originally Posted by 2KZ28_For_Now

400+ V8. Does anything else matter? Seriously.

That's what I'm saying!

[Grape Ape]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

High tech is generally less reliable than low tech. Murphys law says that anything that can go wrong eventually will. So, the more fancy you get the more it will break. Im sorry but thats just the way it works. Also, new ideas are more likely to fail than old ones. It takes time for technology to mature. So it is unlikely that you can get a high tech performer that is extremely reliable. Why? Look at BMW, Mercedes, and Ferrari. If there is something new that is simplier than the old, that changes everything. And if you can get a reliable hightech performer, its likely to cost an arm and a leg. Of performance, relibility, and cost: pick two. You can never get everything

Anyhoo, we've gone off topic with this now.

That is occasionally true, especially with cutting edge stuff like the DI fuel pumps on the BMW 335 that are failing right and left. (Yes I am cross shopping 335 & Camaro)

But my truck has at least 100,000 miles (it has gone 120k, but I bought it used) on the stock ignition module. Try that with points. Same goes for the injectors vs carbs.

[fastball]

GM just released info on the Pontiac G8 GXP at the NY Auto Show, and it will have a detuned 402 hp LS3. My sure money bet is that this is what's going into the Camaro Z28 (or SS) and NOT the L76 or LS2.

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

High tech is generally less reliable than low tech. Murphys law says that anything that can go wrong eventually will. So, the more fancy you get the more it will break. Im sorry but thats just the way it works. Also, new ideas are more likely to fail than old ones. It takes time for technology to mature. So it is unlikely that you can get a high tech performer that is extremely reliable. Why? Look at BMW, Mercedes, and Ferrari. If there is something new that is simplier than the old, that changes everything. And if you can get a reliable hightech performer, its likely to cost an arm and a leg. Of performance, relibility, and cost: pick two. You can never get everything

Anyhoo, we've gone off topic with this now.

And the only way you make strides towards "maturing" technology and making it cheaper is by trying these new "conflabbed" ideas and sorting out the problems, thats why change seems to suck for so many people, but in reality they are only hurting themselves.

[lonestar_z28]

Originally Posted by fastball

GM just released info on the Pontiac G8 GXP at the NY Auto Show, and it will have a detuned 402 hp LS3. My sure money bet is that this is what's going into the Camaro Z28 (or SS) and NOT the L76 or LS2.

That would make the most economic sense, and I'm hoping you're right.