What are "bolt ons" to you? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

steveo9043 · 01-29-2013, 11:20 AM

Was reading a thread earlier about bolt ons so I thought I would post this.

So for most, bolt ons are the basics.

CAI
HEADERS
EXHAUST
CONVERTER
TB

Is an aftermarket intake (example: fast intake) considered a bolt on to you?

Not many people mention intakes when being asked about a bolt ons.

Is a bolt on anything you can bolt onto the block? Then heads would be considered a bolt on as well?

Lets hear opinions.

Dznts · 01-29-2013, 11:33 AM

i consider a CAI to be a bolt on as well.

willhe64 · 01-29-2013, 11:48 AM

Anything that does not require you to modify the cars so that you can not get it back to 100% stock is a bolt on.
You can still get picky about it too though, my Supercharger required a couple holes in the rad shroud, it it still a bolt on? I say yes.

GMTool · 01-29-2013, 11:50 AM

I remember reading where someone on the forum said, when you have fluids involved, as in draining/refilling. It's not a bolt on. Bolt ons do not require any fluid draining. Made sense to me.

sycraft · 01-29-2013, 11:55 AM

These are bolt ons...

Camarojt · 01-29-2013, 11:57 AM

I think the term "bolt ons" can be interpreted many ways!
I've wondered the same thing as far as a Fast 102 intake, or aftermarket heads? I don't know exactly where the line is drawn Bc at some point almost everything is a bolt on!

I think the question becomes, are you asking what is considered a "bolt on ONLY" to be on the fast list w bolt ons?
In that case a Supercharger would not be a bolt on. Nor would adding a cam.
However IMO, heads and intake would qualify as a bolt on. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Firefighter · 01-29-2013, 11:57 AM

Anything short of breaking the seal on the engine has always been a bolt on to me.

Pulling heads is def not a bolt on in my book. I would consider things like FAST intake or Rocker Upgrades to be light mods and actually a cam might be considered a light mod but heads and more are getting into heavy mods.

Now a Centrifigal S/C? That is a gray area but I would consider it a bolt on but maybe a little bit more. Something like a Maggie... getting really dark gray.

It seems to me with all the stuff that GM can monitor now it should be a question of Warrantied or not. Once the warranty is gone I say go crazy.

From reading around here the real race is to see who voids their warranty the quickest. lol

Pro Stock John · 01-29-2013, 12:22 PM

In the formative years of LS1Tech, we viewed bolt-ons as any mod that you could do without cracking open the engine. So a cam or ported heads would not be bolt-ons. If you read GMHTP or Camaro Now they generally hold the same perspective.

Engine bolt-ons:
Exhaust
Air induction
Pulleys
Intake manifold
Water pumps

steveo9043 · 01-29-2013, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

In the formative years of LS1Tech, we viewed bolt-ons as any mod that you could do without cracking open the engine. So a cam or ported heads would not be bolt-ons. If you read GMHTP or Camaro Now they generally hold the same perspective.

Engine bolt-ons:
Exhaust
Air induction
Pulleys
Intake manifold
Water pumps

So how does removing heads differ from removing the intake? Both essentially crack open the engine.

But if we go by the fluids comment it would be different.

Then we get into thermostats! If we go by the fluid comment thermostat would get you out of the Bolt on only category.

dcoates18481 · 01-29-2013, 01:11 PM

I would think anything needing the factory tune to be altered would be the criteria for a WARRANTY VOIDING bolt on.
That's what we really mean....correct???

steveo9043 · 01-29-2013, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcoates18481

I would think anything needing the factory tune to be altered would be the criteria for a WARRANTY VOIDING bolt on.
That's what we really mean....correct???

My question isn't towards warranty. More towards the racing scene.

Cruuzin LV · 01-29-2013, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sycraft

These are bolt ons...

Probably cost as much as a supercharger too..

Firefighter · 01-29-2013, 03:28 PM

I've bought a pair in the past... they cost me about $7500 almost 20 years ago. Today they can go for $10-$15 grand for a good set. Now I know you can get a crappy set for about $5K.

Incidentally buying a set of bolt ons for the little woman is the surest way to get rid of her... lol So if you ever are needing to get out of a relationship just buy a set (cheap ones) and guaranteed inside of a year she will leave you for another dude. It'll help in the divorce proceedings too. LoL

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steveo9043 · 01-29-2013, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firefighter

I've bought a pair in the past... they cost me about $7500 almost 20 years ago. Today they can go for $10-$15 grand for a good set. Now I know you can get a crappy set for about $5K.

Incidentally buying a set of bolt ons for the little woman is the surest way to get rid of her... lol So if you ever are needing to get out of a relationship just buy a set (cheap ones) and guaranteed inside of a year she will leave you for another dude. It'll help in the divorce proceedings too. LoL

Sent from my friggin Droid by two thumbs using Tapatalk 2 or whatever the ish it's called....

ive had two friends get some bolt on's in the last year. one paid 8k and the other paid 10k both look SUPERB!

01-29-2013, 11:20 AM	#1
steveo9043 Drives: 2012 45th AE 2SS Coupe Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Chicago IL Posts: 1,125	What are "bolt ons" to you? Was reading a thread earlier about bolt ons so I thought I would post this. So for most, bolt ons are the basics. CAI HEADERS EXHAUST CONVERTER TB Is an aftermarket intake (example: fast intake) considered a bolt on to you? Not many people mention intakes when being asked about a bolt ons. Is a bolt on anything you can bolt onto the block? Then heads would be considered a bolt on as well? Lets hear opinions. __________________ 2012 45th L99 SS-Cold air inductions CAI-Dynatech LT's-Solo mach XL catback 333hp/341tq (before LT's)

01-29-2013, 11:33 AM	#2
Dznts Anabolic Connoisseur Drives: Sold - Blown Camaro 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 22,094	i consider a CAI to be a bolt on as well. __________________

01-29-2013, 11:48 AM	#3
willhe64 Drives: 2012 45th Vert, 2011 4x4, 9sec Vega Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,188	Anything that does not require you to modify the cars so that you can not get it back to 100% stock is a bolt on. You can still get picky about it too though, my Supercharger required a couple holes in the rad shroud, it it still a bolt on? I say yes. __________________ I feel it only fair to warn you, I have a black belt in CAPS LOCK.

01-29-2013, 11:50 AM	#4
GMTool MY SS is SOLD Drives: AGM 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS L99 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Southwest Illinois Posts: 1,838	I remember reading where someone on the forum said, when you have fluids involved, as in draining/refilling. It's not a bolt on. Bolt ons do not require any fluid draining. Made sense to me. __________________ CAI, Dynatech Headers, HF Cats, JRE Tuned, Corsa Cat Back, Strut Tower Brace.

01-29-2013, 11:55 AM	#5
sycraft COTW 5/06/2013 Drives: 2017 Corvette Grand Sport-Ho-Vette Join Date: May 2012 Location: Milford, Michigan Posts: 3,201 View My Garage	These are bolt ons... Attached Images __________________ 2017 Grand Sport, Borla X Pipe.....Enough Said

01-29-2013, 11:57 AM	#6
Camarojt Drives: 2011camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Allen, Tx Posts: 2,202	I think the term "bolt ons" can be interpreted many ways! I've wondered the same thing as far as a Fast 102 intake, or aftermarket heads? I don't know exactly where the line is drawn Bc at some point almost everything is a bolt on! I think the question becomes, are you asking what is considered a "bolt on ONLY" to be on the fast list w bolt ons? In that case a Supercharger would not be a bolt on. Nor would adding a cam. However IMO, heads and intake would qualify as a bolt on. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

01-29-2013, 11:57 AM	#7
Firefighter Drives: Black '13 2SS/RS/1LE w/NPP/NAV Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tampa by way of Miami... Posts: 4,934	Anything short of breaking the seal on the engine has always been a bolt on to me. Pulling heads is def not a bolt on in my book. I would consider things like FAST intake or Rocker Upgrades to be light mods and actually a cam might be considered a light mod but heads and more are getting into heavy mods. Now a Centrifigal S/C? That is a gray area but I would consider it a bolt on but maybe a little bit more. Something like a Maggie... getting really dark gray. It seems to me with all the stuff that GM can monitor now it should be a question of Warrantied or not. Once the warranty is gone I say go crazy. From reading around here the real race is to see who voids their warranty the quickest. lol

01-29-2013, 12:22 PM	#8
Pro Stock John Writer Drives: 2010 SS / 1967 Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 7,216	In the formative years of LS1Tech, we viewed bolt-ons as any mod that you could do without cracking open the engine. So a cam or ported heads would not be bolt-ons. If you read GMHTP or Camaro Now they generally hold the same perspective. Engine bolt-ons: Exhaust Air induction Pulleys Intake manifold Water pumps __________________ PROJECT HEAVY CHEVY Camaro Now: Mods for the Masses Part I \| Part II 13.15@106 1.95 \| 100% Stock 12.37@112 1.85 \| + Kooks Headers/Cats + 20" 555R + CAI + BW TB + UDP + Tune 12.06@113 1.70 \| + CD 3200 + 18" NT05R + RCR Intake + NE OTR + GPI Tune 11.84@115 1.59 \| + 3.91s + Race Star 17x7 Fronts 10.90@125 1.47 \| + GPI VVT Cam + BW Ported Heads + CD 3800

01-29-2013, 01:11 PM	#10
dcoates18481 Drives: 2010 CAMARO RALLY YELLOW SS/RS/M6 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Aransas Pass Texas Posts: 565 View My Garage	I would think anything needing the factory tune to be altered would be the criteria for a WARRANTY VOIDING bolt on. That's what we really mean....correct??? __________________ I LIKE TO GO FAST! Lethal Racing Night Fury Cam Kit, Melling oil pump, C5R Timing Chain, Dyno Tuned by Shawn@Lethal Racing, Vararam Tuned intake, Vararam Power Wedge, LSR Tri Ax Short throw Shifter, VMAX Ported T/B, TSP 2" L/T Headers, TSP Cat delete, Borla axle back exhaust, Innovate A/F monitor, 471.7 HP/438.8 TQ

01-29-2013, 03:28 PM	#13
Firefighter Drives: Black '13 2SS/RS/1LE w/NPP/NAV Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tampa by way of Miami... Posts: 4,934	I've bought a pair in the past... they cost me about $7500 almost 20 years ago. Today they can go for $10-$15 grand for a good set. Now I know you can get a crappy set for about $5K. Incidentally buying a set of bolt ons for the little woman is the surest way to get rid of her... lol So if you ever are needing to get out of a relationship just buy a set (cheap ones) and guaranteed inside of a year she will leave you for another dude. It'll help in the divorce proceedings too. LoL Sent from my friggin Droid by two thumbs using Tapatalk 2 or whatever the ish it's called.... __________________ My Build Thread... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285054