First 5th Gen V6 Camaro to break into the 11's Quarter Mile - Page 11 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

67 GTO · 05-17-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FloMoCamaro

I congratulate you on getting your V6 into the 11's, but dude, you're not only putting your self at risk, but the track and even worse, the spectators. Those "doughnut tires" are not made to take the abuse of the drag strip. It's not only the speed rating you have to worry about, but the hard breaking you have to do at the end of the track. All I got to say is, your one lucky dude and you skated buy on that one... Please, make the investment in some skinny's - I would hate to read the next headline saying you hit the wall and/or injured some spectator due to a blown tire... I wish you good luck and keep up the great (safe) racing...

The spectators are so far away at Atco only an airborne vehicle going backwards would be a hazard.

You should see some of the crap crates that run there, makes HDRS's great run look like a TV commercial on a closed course with a pro driver.

coolman · 05-17-2011, 06:54 PM

I'm surprised he would be allowed to run with those tires. Not at the track I go to. Good run either way. How do these motors hold up to spray?

rtcat600man · 05-17-2011, 06:55 PM

People are hung up on the safety of the spare tires but they are missing a whole lot of other items. This is copied from the NHRA safety rules. There are a few that anyone thinking of running into the 11's should consider. However, not all tracks check either. This doesn't make it right but then again it doesn't mean you are wrong.

11.99
By the time a car is capable of running between 11.00 and 11.99 seconds in the quarter-mile, safety requirements are especially important. Up until this point, factory seatbelts are acceptable, but in the 11-second-and-quicker time zone you need a quality safety harness. The minimum requirement is a 3-inch-wide, five-point harness meeting SFI spec 16.1. The 1995 National Hot Rod Association Rulebook outlines the proper way to mount the shoulder harness and belts.

An NHRA-legal rollbar is also required in the category. Recent rule changes have reconfigured what NHRA classifies as a rollbar. The classic four-point bar is no longer acceptable. The new standard is mild-steel tubing of at least .120-inch wall thickness (most chassis companies, like Art Morrison, use .134-inch wall tubing) that includes a forward-running side bar from the main hoop past the driver’s shoulder. This bar is only required on the driver’s side, but most systems include both sides for a six-point rollbar.

An SFI-approved scattershield is also necessary in this e.t. category. NHRA requires the scattershield to have an SFI aluminum-foil sticker. According to Red Roberts of McLeod Industries, older bellhousings can be certified by sending the scattershield and block plate to the original manufacturer. The company will inspect the housing and if it passes, it will receive an SFI 6-1 certification. Most SFI certifications are good for five years. Contact your manufacturer if you’re not sure.

The clutch and flywheel must also be SFI certified. The main consideration in this area is to avoid using a cast-iron flywheel. According to Roberts, sometime in the mid-’70s most of the new car companies began using nodular iron flywheels that are much safer. Most, if not all, current high-performance aluminum and steel flywheels are safe when used in conjunction with an approved scattershield, but the rules state that the pressure plate and flywheel need an SFI certification number. Roberts says the best plan is to record all your SFI numbers in a logbook. This makes it easier for the tech inspector and it shows the inspector that you understand the importance of the inspection process. This e.t. level also requires steel valve stems in all wheels, along with arm restraints for open-cockpit cars like roadsters.

SUX2BU · 05-17-2011, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ROD1

Lol, you serious?

They are speed rated to 106mph and that is due to cornering. Im sure its far safer to drop yur drag radials to 10lbs. psi right?

Spare tires are NOT rated for 106 mph.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Speed ratings are for speed/time. Even if a spare is only rated at 60 MPH, going over 60 for about 10 seconds isnt going to do much.

In fact you could probably go well over the speed a spare tire is rated at for many miles before running into issue. We have all seen those idiots on the highway going 80 with a spare tire on and nothing happens.

I'm sure you could remove two lugs on each wheel and drive around all day long with no problems, but I'm not going down the track like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Where are you getting your information?

Any where. They put those warning on the tires for a reason.
"All temporary spare tires are designed for short-term use only; they are not designed with the same capabilities in terms of load capacity, speed capability, or all-weather traction.Always check your vehicle’s owner's manual and the temporary spare's sidewall for instructions on proper use. It is also important to recognize that controlling a vehicle may be more difficult when using a temporary spare, and temporary spare tires are usually accompanied with warnings that advise against towing a trailer, or traveling over 50 miles per hour for further than 50 miles."
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...jsp?techid=141

coolman · 05-17-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rtcat600man

People are hung up on the safety of the spare tires but they are missing a whole lot of other items.

It was brought up do to being an obvious safety issues. I don't think we were hung up on it but just concerned for his safety and others. We don't know enough about the op's car to bring up all current NHRA rules he is breaking by running in the speed range. Besides this was his first run in this speed range. If his track is like mine he will now have to meet the rules for that speed before running again.

He shouldn't have been allowed to run with those tires at any speed let alone in the 11's.

rtcat600man · 05-17-2011, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolman

It was brought up do to being an obvious safety issues. I don't think we were hung up on it but just concerned for his safety and others. We don't know enough about the op's car to bring up all current NHRA rules he is breaking by running in the speed range. Besides this was his first run in this speed range. If his track is like mine he will now have to meet the rules for that speed before running again.

He shouldn't have been allowed to run with those tires at any speed let alone in the 11's.

thanks for the update.

I think he and ROD1 are using spare tires from the Cadillac CTS. Which may have a speed rating of 106 MPH. It is not like they are using the tiny donut spares that are rated for 50 mph.

Just sayin based on what I read a while ago when Rod almost broke into the 11's last fall.

DarkneSS · 05-17-2011, 10:34 PM

Can we talk about how this car didnt even have full bolt ons or a tune?

With not much more work he could run mid 11s.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 05-17-2011, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Can we talk about how this car didnt even have full bolt ons or a tune?

With not much more work he could run mid 11s.

The nitrous and slicks helped...

But in all seriousness - that's an awesome run, and I'd love to see how much further he can take this!

DarkneSS · 05-17-2011, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

The nitrous and slicks helped...

But in all seriousness - that's an awesome run, and I'd love to see how much further he can take this!

Lol yeah true but headers and open exhaust do wonders for nitrous.

ROD1 · 05-18-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SUX2BU

Spare tires are NOT rated for 106 mph.

Mine are...as for the rest ...lol

rtcat600man · 05-18-2011, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROD1

Mine are...as for the rest ...lol

Thanks ROD1........I thought yours were.

GQ4Life · 05-18-2011, 09:36 AM

I made this pic with bike to said this what I run but now I look at it it doesnt really look totally like bike tire.. haha
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Richochet83 · 05-18-2011, 10:47 AM

Camaro V6!!! F*CK YEAH!!!!! (in my Team America theme song voice)

SC2150 · 05-18-2011, 11:14 AM

Watch. This is historic!

I see 10's before the year is out from a V6. And more in the 11's.

Watch Rod1when he gets back on the track with his latest addition.

Having raced for years, and seeing too many crashes (youngest daughter barrel rolled at 173mph at age 17 and if not for the safety equipment and the $75000 car sacrificing its structure to protect her who knows how bad it could have been) and fatalities to not follow every safety precaution possible.

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rtcat600man having FUN now 13.66@101 Drives: 2010 2LT IOM Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Clarkston, Michigan Posts: 9,230 View My Garage	People are hung up on the safety of the spare tires but they are missing a whole lot of other items. This is copied from the NHRA safety rules. There are a few that anyone thinking of running into the 11's should consider. However, not all tracks check either. This doesn't make it right but then again it doesn't mean you are wrong. 11.99 By the time a car is capable of running between 11.00 and 11.99 seconds in the quarter-mile, safety requirements are especially important. Up until this point, factory seatbelts are acceptable, but in the 11-second-and-quicker time zone you need a quality safety harness. The minimum requirement is a 3-inch-wide, five-point harness meeting SFI spec 16.1. The 1995 National Hot Rod Association Rulebook outlines the proper way to mount the shoulder harness and belts. An NHRA-legal rollbar is also required in the category. Recent rule changes have reconfigured what NHRA classifies as a rollbar. The classic four-point bar is no longer acceptable. The new standard is mild-steel tubing of at least .120-inch wall thickness (most chassis companies, like Art Morrison, use .134-inch wall tubing) that includes a forward-running side bar from the main hoop past the driver’s shoulder. This bar is only required on the driver’s side, but most systems include both sides for a six-point rollbar. An SFI-approved scattershield is also necessary in this e.t. category. NHRA requires the scattershield to have an SFI aluminum-foil sticker. According to Red Roberts of McLeod Industries, older bellhousings can be certified by sending the scattershield and block plate to the original manufacturer. The company will inspect the housing and if it passes, it will receive an SFI 6-1 certification. Most SFI certifications are good for five years. Contact your manufacturer if you’re not sure. The clutch and flywheel must also be SFI certified. The main consideration in this area is to avoid using a cast-iron flywheel. According to Roberts, sometime in the mid-’70s most of the new car companies began using nodular iron flywheels that are much safer. Most, if not all, current high-performance aluminum and steel flywheels are safe when used in conjunction with an approved scattershield, but the rules state that the pressure plate and flywheel need an SFI certification number. Roberts says the best plan is to record all your SFI numbers in a logbook. This makes it easier for the tech inspector and it shows the inspector that you understand the importance of the inspection process. This e.t. level also requires steel valve stems in all wheels, along with arm restraints for open-cockpit cars like roadsters. __________________ MY BUILD

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coolman Guest Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: PA Posts: 4,812	I'm surprised he would be allowed to run with those tires. Not at the track I go to. Good run either way. How do these motors hold up to spray?

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