Whose will be the first auto to go down the 1/4? - Page 8

big dave · 03-30-2017, 09:39 AM

I'm wondering if this anomaly only happens when wheel spin is detected, however that can't be it since I'm pretty sure Evil_V did not spin when using slicks. Why limit this car yet allow the Z06 free will? Smh. How will this affect the manual cars?

BoostedX2 · 03-30-2017, 11:28 AM

So, am I understanding this correctly..even with better prepared track and/or drag radials an auto ZL1 can't go faster than 1.7 in the 60' and correspondingly about 11.5 in the 1/4? I was really holding out for a faster than Hellcat car....

762CAT · 03-30-2017, 11:43 AM

Well that's disappointing if it's accurate. I honestly did not expect it to best the Hellcat in the 1/4 with both cars on drag radials and at their peak but I thought it would be at least a 10.9 car. Subscribed for any updates.

VictorySS · 03-30-2017, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by big dave

I'm wondering if this anomaly only happens when wheel spin is detected, however that can't be it since I'm pretty sure Evil_V did not spin when using slicks. Why limit this car yet allow the Z06 free will? Smh. How will this affect the manual cars?

Dave its basically an algorithm in the tune. Pedal calls for X amount of tq when depressed cross-referenced with speed and RPM = output, a given cell on a chart (simplified). GM didn't want us going around breaking parts and hurting their bottom line.

Infern0 · 03-30-2017, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorySS

Dave its basically an algorithm in the tune. Pedal calls for X amount of tq when depressed cross-referenced with speed and RPM = output, a given cell on a chart (simplified). GM didn't want us going around breaking parts and hurting their bottom line.

BoostedX2 · 03-30-2017, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorySS

Dave its basically an algorithm in the tune. Pedal calls for X amount of tq when depressed cross-referenced with speed and RPM = output, a given cell on a chart (simplified). GM didn't want us going around breaking parts and hurting their bottom line.

SUCKS!!!

96MrBass · 03-30-2017, 01:38 PM

Are we all really thinking these are the best times this car is going to make? one day one or two passes? Judgement is out lol.

big dave · 03-30-2017, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorySS

Dave its basically an algorithm in the tune. Pedal calls for X amount of tq when depressed cross-referenced with speed and RPM = output, a given cell on a chart (simplified). GM didn't want us going around breaking parts and hurting their bottom line.

It sounds like the simplest way to get around the problem is also the simplest way to void your warranty should something happen. That really sucks but I'm sure many folks will want to tune it out.

ELS1 · 03-30-2017, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorySS

Dave its basically an algorithm in the tune. Pedal calls for X amount of tq when depressed cross-referenced with speed and RPM = output, a given cell on a chart (simplified). GM didn't want us going around breaking parts and hurting their bottom line.

I wonder if that's why GMs warranty covers track use..

Great info guys!

Ron_Robinson1 · 03-30-2017, 04:27 PM

Man this starting to worry me. I plan on modding and tuning after break in, but I truly hope this is not another 2016 CTS V. I love the car, but even modded it's a dog at the track.

big dave · 03-30-2017, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron_Robinson1

Man this starting to worry me. I plan on modding and tuning after break in, but I truly hope this is not another 2016 CTS V. I love the car, but even modded it's a dog at the track.

This very well may be just another CTS V on a diet, but I still think these cars will be running in the 11.0s stock before we know it in great conditions...I hope

17CamaroZL1 · 03-30-2017, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron_Robinson1

Man this starting to worry me. I plan on modding and tuning after break in, but I truly hope this is not another 2016 CTS V. I love the car, but even modded it's a dog at the track.

If the car is being limited by some sort of torque management in the first couple of gears and you are planning to tune it, shouldn't you be able to remove the torque management?

Ron_Robinson1 · 03-30-2017, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

If the car is being limited by some sort of torque management in the first couple of gears and you are planning to tune it, shouldn't you be able to remove the torque management?

It should not be a problem and that's my plan. I'm just worried about what the car has the potnential to run with mods. If you go to YouTube and watch Modded 2016 CTS Vs, they really are not that impressive at all.

Here is just one example of many. https://youtu.be/UnyPEteMgl4

762CAT · 03-30-2017, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron_Robinson1

It should not be a problem and that's my plan. I'm just worried about what the car has the potnential to run with mods. If you go to YouTube and watch Modded 2016 CTS Vs, they really are not that impressive at all.

Here is just one example of many. https://youtu.be/UnyPEteMgl4

WOW...I had no idea this was an issue with the new CTS V either...the MPH is there but 10.66...and with that laundry list of mods...yikes. Did not look like he was spinning at all either. If this is the deal with the ZL1 that really really sucks.

On the one hand it will certainly help the car on the street and on the stock rubber and it will do what GM advertised..but still disappointing. Maybe that is why they advertised the 1/4mile times on unprepared surface. Seemed like they were alluding to the fact that it would do better though. Kinda wish they'd have been more up front about that. Glad I waited.

03-30-2017, 09:39 AM	#99
big dave Drives: 2017 ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,052	I'm wondering if this anomaly only happens when wheel spin is detected, however that can't be it since I'm pretty sure Evil_V did not spin when using slicks. Why limit this car yet allow the Z06 free will? Smh. How will this affect the manual cars? __________________ '17 ZL1 10.99@129 stock. 4225# raceweight. Best 60'- 1.66 on factory tires. 10.48@132 E50, intake and tune. 4270 lbs https://youtu.be/EyHtdH9XOkY https://youtu.be/Lcu41obbTf8 '13 ZL1 BRM A6. 11.591 @ 119.2 factory stock with a 1.68 60'! Best stock mph 121.8. 11.29 @ 123 RotoFab, drag radials and skinnies. 4360# raceweight. http://youtu.be/yggIA3C_kkA 2014... back to stock http://youtu.be/spQLaTWbThs 2013... stock & RotoFab

03-30-2017, 11:28 AM	#100
BoostedX2 Drives: VR ZL1 #259/Nissan 370Z NISMO Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,071	So, am I understanding this correctly..even with better prepared track and/or drag radials an auto ZL1 can't go faster than 1.7 in the 60' and correspondingly about 11.5 in the 1/4? I was really holding out for a faster than Hellcat car.... __________________ 2012 Victory Red ZL1 Lingenfelter 630 Package "Plus" 592 HP/580 TQ

03-30-2017, 11:43 AM	#101
762CAT Drives: 2016 Challenger Hellcat Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: NC Posts: 147	Well that's disappointing if it's accurate. I honestly did not expect it to best the Hellcat in the 1/4 with both cars on drag radials and at their peak but I thought it would be at least a 10.9 car. Subscribed for any updates. __________________ Fly a 850whp HellCat Challenger Drive a 19000 HP C130J Reserved parking for ZL1 1LE….whoops filled the spot with a Charger Hellcat daily…….

03-30-2017, 01:38 PM	#105
96MrBass Drives: GM Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Marydel, DE Posts: 1,321	Are we all really thinking these are the best times this car is going to make? one day one or two passes? Judgement is out lol. __________________ Roto- Fab Cai, SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3"X pipe, LM2 cat back, Comp Cam & AI Heads, SLP UP, RPM Tuned, GPI Intake, Vmax TB, ADM Air Scoop, 3.91 Gears, Gforce driveshaft, Braille 21#, Elite Catch Can, Pfadt Tie Rods, Diff Bushings and Trailing arms, Eibach spings & sways, BMR cradle bushings, Nt555r's.

03-30-2017, 04:27 PM	#108
Ron_Robinson1 Drives: A Static line to a pack tray & ZL1 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Centeral NY Posts: 2,276	Man this starting to worry me. I plan on modding and tuning after break in, but I truly hope this is not another 2016 CTS V. I love the car, but even modded it's a dog at the track. __________________ 2017 ZL1 A10: 8.84 @ 156 PB 2017 ZL1 A10: Previously FBO 756/761 (9.6 @ 143 1/4) SOLD-2013 ZL1 M6:BTR,LTs,IDs,ATI,RotoFab10.84@129 SOLD-2011 SS M6: Blower, Cam, Alky, LTs.

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