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headpunter · 09-30-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Autoblog.com

Sour grapes or legitimate complaint? That's the question we're left pondering after reading that Porsche believes Nissan must have cheated to record its 7:29:03 lap time of the famed Nürburgring race circuit. Porsche claims that it had been suspicious of the Nissan's lap times, so it acquired a U.S.-spec GT-R for testing back-to-back with its own 911 Turbo and GT2. The result? The mighty Godzilla was toppled by the Teutonic German duo, with the GT-R posting times a good 25-seconds slower than Nissan's claim.

How can Porsche explain the discrepancy? "This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car. For us, it's not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tires," says August Achleitner, the man in charge of the 911 program. There is footage of the GT-R lapping the 'Ring at high speed, but it's taken from inside the car where the tires cannot be seen.

Considering the fact that Nissan saw fit to issue a press release commemorating the car's fast-lap, we doubt this is something that will be taken lightly. There's a big can 'o worms here, and Porsche's in the corner holding the opener.

the corvette guys have been complaining about this for a long time, glad that porsche is jumping on the GT-R fraud boat.

*The_Blur* · 09-30-2008, 10:25 AM

This is phenomenal. Now Nissan may have to post an official time.

headpunter · 09-30-2008, 10:30 AM

on stock tires.....

i have always thought that number they gave didnt match to the other metrics of the car.

SS4EVER · 09-30-2008, 10:32 AM

Good for Porsche... That GT-R time was BS and we all knew it. At least with stock tires....

*Camaro_Corvette* · 09-30-2008, 10:40 AM

Can't wait to see this result!

*KILLER74Z28* · 09-30-2008, 10:46 AM

This is going to get good...

MCPOAJ · 09-30-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SS4EVER

Good for Porsche... That GT-R time was BS and we all knew it. At least with stock tires....

lol you posted this on css.net and it's about damn time

SS4EVER · 09-30-2008, 11:23 AM

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lol you posted this on css.net and it's about damn time

lol you saw that? I saw that no one else had so I figured I'd start it!

MCPOAJ · 09-30-2008, 11:27 AM

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lol you saw that? I saw that no one else had so I figured I'd start it!

damn right i saw it lol yes i understand anymore that's how css.net gets it's info is from other sites....

a12ozbottle · 09-30-2008, 01:21 PM

Looks like the GTR price went up to.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/05/n...-nearly-7-000/

*DGthe3* · 09-30-2008, 01:35 PM

Never though Porche was slow until now . . .

It was likely a set of sticky tires and the 'void your warranty' tune that got the 7:29. The engine is under rated, making about 10% more hp than claimed. And it has fairly short gearing. And a quick transmission. But the numbers never quite added up to a 7:29 ring time

syr74 · 09-30-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

Never though Porche was slow until now . . .

It was likely a set of sticky tires and the 'void your warranty' tune that got the 7:29. The engine is under rated, making about 10% more hp than claimed. And it has fairly short gearing. And a quick transmission. But the numbers never quite added up to a 7:29 ring time

What he said. The fact that auto rags can't seem to turn in anything like the same kind of times they managed with pre-production test cars now that they are stuck with 'off the shelf' production models is a red flag as well. The GTR is a fast car, but it isn't nearly as fast as Nissan would like for folks to believe.

But then, that is the problem with the Ring. You can more or less lie all you want and get away with it.

USA1Camaro · 09-30-2008, 02:13 PM

Nissan has a history of using non-factory cars and tunes for testing and magazine reviews.

headpunter · 09-30-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

Never though Porche was slow until now . . .

It was likely a set of sticky tires and the 'void your warranty' tune that got the 7:29. The engine is under rated, making about 10% more hp than claimed. And it has fairly short gearing. And a quick transmission. But the numbers never quite added up to a 7:29 ring time

Has anyone seen the ad's about how the engine is made in a type 3 clean room (or type 2 or A or something to make it sound important) and they build it all by hand. basicly the ad is talking about how the engine is so well engineered and built by hand for the utmost precision. and that your engine isn't made in this kind of environment that your engine is inferior.

all of that image is a crock, sure its built by hand in a clean room but it is so inconsistan of a manufacturing process that some Rv36deTT (v6 in th gtr) dyno at 440hp and some dyno over 500hp, to be so inconsitant with your engine building is a joke. makes me think its not as well engineered as they want us to believe

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09-30-2008, 10:30 AM	#3
headpunter Not That sad..considering Drives: Man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: the part of washington the capital forgot about. Posts: 3,747 View My Garage	on stock tires..... i have always thought that number they gave didnt match to the other metrics of the car. __________________ Stop Whinging

09-30-2008, 10:32 AM	#4
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09-30-2008, 10:46 AM	#6
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09-30-2008, 01:21 PM	#10
a12ozbottle Drives: 2006 GMC Yukon Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Jacksonville, fl Posts: 60	Looks like the GTR price went up to. http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/05/n...-nearly-7-000/

09-30-2008, 01:35 PM	#11
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	Never though Porche was slow until now . . . It was likely a set of sticky tires and the 'void your warranty' tune that got the 7:29. The engine is under rated, making about 10% more hp than claimed. And it has fairly short gearing. And a quick transmission. But the numbers never quite added up to a 7:29 ring time __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

09-30-2008, 02:13 PM	#13
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