Dealer actualy replied to my criticism.

[blindingillusion]

"GTFO" to me is less of a "never post again" and more of a "you have got to be kidding me" type of thing. My apologies, and I need to remember some short hand can be taken differently across different media and forums.

[CamaroSSforme]

Originally Posted by blindingillusion

"GTFO" to me is less of a "never post again" and more of a "you have got to be kidding me" type of thing. My apologies, and I need to remember some short hand can be taken differently across different media and forums.

INHO you are totally out of line here on all counts

[blindingillusion]

Originally Posted by CamaroSSforme

INHO you are totally out of line here on all counts

Out of line with an apology?

[teamlynn1]

WOW Illusion you are out of line here period. You have your opinion and have passionatley stated it as has Z28 but neither of you has the right to tell a guy to GTFO or any acronym basically telling a guy to FOff/Fout etc. Each of your opinions have backers in this forum and BOTH sides have a right to be heard. We do not have to agree on evey issue YOU like nor do we have to agree with Z28 but I feel we owe each forum member a modicum of respect for giving their opinion regardless of how we feel. Thats what this forum is about to me, sharing all of our opinions about Camaro's not bashing someone who has an opposing opinion. Ronslo and I have had some spirited debates posted in here but we manage to end them all cordially, if we can so can you my friend. I think this whole link was about you not getting your way with a dealer who's immature salesperson who didnt get their way spouted off and BOTH of you are acting like grade school kids. Lets all remember why we are really here to talk about Camaro's and all the things we love and hate about them!

Originally Posted by blindingillusion

Selling a car OVER MSRP is wrong. You keep adding that selling at MSRP isn't wrong, and we all know that. We also know that it is a SUGGESTED retail price. Stop spoon feeding us words and trying to make us look like idiots.

You know what is wrong about selling over MSRP? It is wrong because it is nothing more than a way for a dealer to put more cash in his or her pocket. People smarter than you and I both do the calculations to figure out MSRP, and if a dealer can't cut it selling at that price then they are in the wrong industry.

If you want to defend dealers trying to gouge people then GTFO man.

[trm0002]

Originally Posted by blindingillusion

Out of line with an apology?

Let's get back on topic. We all admitted that we made a mistake or two- whether it be the postings or the interpretation of what was posted. Let it drop. We're all good...

Back to your regularly scheduled programming...

[rolnslo]

Originally Posted by teamlynn1

...Rolnslo and I have had some spirited debates posted in here but we manage to end them all cordially, if we can so can you my friend. ...

[Bell040]

I would never buy from this dealer in WV... thanks for the warning.

Hopefully you guys in WV read this thread!

[Adam]

Don't use 'nobody is forcing you to buy a camaro' as an argument unless you want to see GM fail. Seriously.

[Tal]

The problem isn't the dealer markup, it's fair enough if they have a car in stock and they can get someone to pay the price (also fair enough if it sits in their lot because of their stupid price). The real problem is the antiquated ordering system GM (and most other manufacturers) are still using. GM should just turn Saturn into their factory-direct custom order sales center for all brands. A low number of popular 'best seller' type models in stock, but friendly no haggle sales on those few cars and any pre-orders to get exactly what you want factory ordered. This wouldn't cut out standard dealers from pre-orders at MSRP or slightly below but it would keep them from driving off GM's customers. The legalities and details would probably take time to workout with updated agreements, etc but it's long overdue.

[blindingillusion]

Originally Posted by teamlynn1

WOW Illusion you are out of line here period. You have your opinion and have passionatley stated it as has Z28 but neither of you has the right to tell a guy to GTFO or any acronym basically telling a guy to FOff/Fout etc. Each of your opinions have backers in this forum and BOTH sides have a right to be heard. We do not have to agree on evey issue YOU like nor do we have to agree with Z28 but I feel we owe each forum member a modicum of respect for giving their opinion regardless of how we feel. Thats what this forum is about to me, sharing all of our opinions about Camaro's not bashing someone who has an opposing opinion. Ronslo and I have had some spirited debates posted in here but we manage to end them all cordially, if we can so can you my friend. I think this whole link was about you not getting your way with a dealer who's immature salesperson who didnt get their way spouted off and BOTH of you are acting like grade school kids. Lets all remember why we are really here to talk about Camaro's and all the things we love and hate about them!

Did you even read my post, general I am a collected and cool guy. However; I know what this dealership is known for, and I have had a friend work there and quit because he couldn't do what they asked him to do. I know the only way my opinion would even get noticed around there is ruffle some feathers.

I already have an order in, and I was simply asking them how they are handling their orders down there, and I got the answer I anticipated. I reported my finding to the community in the "Price Gouging Dealers" thread, and started this one because I found the guys reply to be funny and I wanted to share that. I had motive, and I had forethought.

I am a college educated software engineer working on high profile government projects, do not insult my intelligence by calling me a "grade school kid".

That being said and done, arguing in on the internet is just ridiculous and I am offering my copious amounts of apologies to anyone who read this thread and misunderstood any of what anyone is trying to say. It is done, it is over, and we are all friends again.

Viva La Camaro5!

Can a mod please kill this thread?

[diddiyo]

in before close! :>

[RPO_Z28]

Originally Posted by Adam

selling a car over MSRP is wrong.

I'm sure a dealer's opinion is that selling a hot, new, limited model UNDER MSRP is wrong.

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Jferrell88]

Originally Posted by blindingillusion

I have been contacting dealers for a while now, and one I got a hold of months ago finally decided to pay me some of their precious attention. I posted about them in the gouging thread because they are charging mark up.

The kicker is that I have never seen a salesman reply and defend my criticism, EVER. I have seen dealership managers post to defend, but to insult a potential customer is almost unheard of. I figured I would post that email as a general post just so some people see it and get a laugh.



BTW, the reason they sell 3 times more cars than dealerships where I am is because they are the only one for 50-80 miles around. In my area we have 6 or more in a 30 mile radius. Left his email in there in case you want to voice your opinion.

I live in huntington, wv well across the river, and i know of 3 dealers with allocations available left as of last week if your interested.

[blindingillusion]

I have one. This dealer just saw fit to return my email about 5 months late.