04-22-2008, 06:09 PM | #1 | |
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Ready or not: 36 MPG by 2015 mandate from Feds
Better snatch up those V8's fellas....
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04-22-2008, 06:10 PM | #2 | |
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04-22-2008, 07:40 PM | #3 |
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Good news for GM, the Volt should be out by 2010 and be turning out pretty good volume by 2015. That should go a nice long way towards that 36 mpg. A couple more dual mode hybrids, mild hybrids across the board, some ethanol credits, and they're there.
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04-22-2008, 07:46 PM | #4 | |
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Wow! 35.7MPG by 2015!?
Below released today at http://www.dot.gov/affairs/dot5608.htm
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04-22-2008, 08:32 PM | #5 |
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I'm sorry but this means very little. In the end we either pay for more gas because we drive less efficient cars. Or, we pay more for our new cars because they have more expensive fuel efficient technology in them. I'm all for taking on the challenge of being more green. But, There are far better ways for our government to help us with fuel prices. These new statndards only look like our government is doing something. We pay for it one way or the other.
If they'd put the same effort into Cel. Ethanol, or more refineries, or offshore drilling I'd by much happier.
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04-22-2008, 08:57 PM | #6 | |
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Camarospike keeps saying it, and I agree: They shouldn't be changing the efficiency, they should be changing the fuel source. And I see very little of that happening on the government's part. Stovt001, Do we know how the Ethanol credit thing is going to work into this new CAFE law? That's what I'd like to know. |
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04-22-2008, 09:57 PM | #8 |
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Dragon, I guess we don't know. Hopefully given the shortened timeline they'll leave it in there. Luckily GM has both the affordable mild hybrid system as well as the more effective dual mode hybrid system. As gas prices get higher hybrids will come closer to being economically logical, so we'll probably seem GM's hybrid line of both types expand a good deal. It seems to me a mild-hybrid Cobalt and Aveo would do quite well. Seeing how much mileage I lose just sitting still on a clogged freeway, I'd be interested.
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I'd love for my Cobalt to have such a system...it'd be great. (I'm already getting 32 mpg easy. this couls easily boost it to 35, I'd think.) Hell, I'd love a Camaro with this system. Also, I put this together trying to illustrate my point that CAFE is going to have the opposite impact of what it was intended to have. Quote:
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04-22-2008, 10:45 PM | #10 |
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If GM continues its trend with making cars E85 capable, they would have no problems. They just can't make every car E85 capable or else the loophole will get closed -a sudden jump from 28 mpg to 53 mpg won't go unnoticed. But they should make every hybrid E85 capable -reinforce the green image
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04-22-2008, 11:02 PM | #11 |
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HYBRIDS ARE NOT THE ANSWER. I don't know how many times i have to say that, they will help but that sure as hell isn't all there is. The name is DIESEL, it's the cheapest quick fix the domestics have and virtually all trucks and SUV's will become diesel powered, not to mention some of the cars, regardless of what Debbie-downer-Lutz says.
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04-22-2008, 11:05 PM | #12 | |
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04-22-2008, 11:05 PM | #13 |
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The problem is oil companies spiked the price up for diesel. It just so happened that it was an acceptable substitute and companies were looking into it until the price jump. Now they are shying away and wanting to stick with conventional crude oil.....
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04-22-2008, 11:26 PM | #14 |
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Did I really post this in general discussions? I meant to post it in the other cars section. Oops
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