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stovt001 · 10-19-2008, 03:04 AM

Skip shift just serves to highlight the absurdity of policies like CAFE. It is designed to game the fuel-economy testing method. During testing it will be driven in such a way that skip-shift improves fuel economy. However, as some people here have demonstrated, in the real world drivers will just hit the gas harder to override it, hurting fuel economy. Absurd.

I'm just gonna buy the eliminator. Even GM openly admits that is a smart choice, and skip shift is only in there to please the fuel economy testers.

MajorTom · 10-19-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

So.... what you say makes sense except that GM jumped through hoops to make it hard to defeat the system (you have to buy a part to 'fool' the computer into thinking you have it hooked up).

I think if they had any sense they would put a menu on the DIC that lets you "adjust" the settings for some of these nanny systems. Make it so you can turn the thing off and have it remember the setting if you so choose.

What do the rest of you guys think of that?

If they could adjust it, then it wouldn't guarantee that you'd shift like it wanted you to. That would make it harder for the Camaro to achieve a decent MPG rating. And the system wasn't supposed to be defeated, because that too would make it impossible to get the same rating.

Given the control a driver has over the gas pedal and shifting, it's impossible to guarantee that you'll get those mpg figures, but with the feature in place, you're more likely to get it. And who knows if the EPA would test with it off if it weren't mandatory?

Trust me, it's for our own good that it's there and so easily defeated, if it weren't, as has been mentioned before, there'd be a 2-3k gas guzzler tax on top of the price.

Speedfreak · 10-22-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by headpunter

i dont get it, why is it so bad to have a skip shift thing? Learn2Shift?

skipshit suks....first mod i did. turning left was the worst...plus it is unnatural, hard as hell on the drivetrain and I am skeptical about real world increases in mileage..... but........its an easy fix........$25 gets got me there.

*CamaroSpike23* · 10-22-2008, 09:26 PM

http://www.installuniversity.com/ins...sity/index.htm

scroll down to "!CAGS: $0.50 Radio Shack resistor"

click and follow the directions. no need to spend 30 bucks on it.

69er · 10-22-2008, 09:38 PM

Had to do a little searching for this article. This goes straight to it.

http://www.installuniversity.com/ins...sity/index.htm

SoFlaZ · 10-22-2008, 10:39 PM

Could going from 1st to 4th possibly cause premature wear to the clutch? I know at least with my car (4cyl) it's nearly impossible without riding on the clutch. I am not used to driving with extreme low end torque so I may not fully comprehend this yet.

*CamaroSpike23* · 10-22-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SoFlaZ

Could going from 1st to 4th possibly cause premature wear to the clutch? I know at least with my car (4cyl) it's nearly impossible without riding on the clutch. I am not used to driving with extreme low end torque so I may not fully comprehend this yet.

not really, the way its use is intended is because 90% of comuters shoot off from a stop, get to 25-30-35mph and then let off the gas, so you only have to shift once instead of 3 times to get to cruising gear

LSxJunkie · 10-22-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SoFlaZ

Could going from 1st to 4th possibly cause premature wear to the clutch? I know at least with my car (4cyl) it's nearly impossible without riding on the clutch. I am not used to driving with extreme low end torque so I may not fully comprehend this yet.

Don't worry, the slowest of Camaros will have enough torque to deal with a 1-4 shift.

Evotion · 10-22-2008, 11:41 PM

I regularly go 1st to 3rd, or 2nd to 4th in the Evo, but 1st to 4th? Yikes. I do it when I'm hovering around 7k rpm big difference. If it's true, that will be the first to go.

GamerGuyZ28 · 10-22-2008, 11:47 PM

I do it in my 4th gen all the time its actually not that bad, and its got way less power.

*CamaroSpike23* · 10-22-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Evotion

I regularly go 1st to 3rd, or 2nd to 4th in the Evo, but 1st to 4th? Yikes. I do it when I'm hovering around 7k rpm big difference. If it's true, that will be the first to go.

yeah, but how much torque do you make down low in the rpms?

dsatch · 10-23-2008, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 69-er

Someone in another thread mentioned that the manual transmission has skip-shift. I thought they did away with this on the Corvette years ago!

Say it ain't true!! How do I disable it??

I ain't gonna have no friggin' computer tell me how and when to shift!

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!!

is the automatic going to skip to 4rth in same situation too, or is this just a function on manuals?

*CamaroSpike23* · 10-23-2008, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dsatch

is the automatic going to skip to 4rth in same situation too, or is this just a function on manuals?

sometimes the auto will do that. the auto will select the best gearing for the conditions

headpunter · 10-23-2008, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

yeah, but how much torque do you make down low in the rpms?

doubtful its 330+ ft/lbs....

10-19-2008, 03:04 AM	#43
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,812	Skip shift just serves to highlight the absurdity of policies like CAFE. It is designed to game the fuel-economy testing method. During testing it will be driven in such a way that skip-shift improves fuel economy. However, as some people here have demonstrated, in the real world drivers will just hit the gas harder to override it, hurting fuel economy. Absurd. I'm just gonna buy the eliminator. Even GM openly admits that is a smart choice, and skip shift is only in there to please the fuel economy testers. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

10-22-2008, 11:47 PM	#52
GamerGuyZ28 5TH GEN BURNOUTS! Drives: 95 Z28, and a 2000 Z28 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toccoa, GA Posts: 130 View My Garage	I do it in my 4th gen all the time its actually not that bad, and its got way less power. __________________ Life begins at 100 MPH

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