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The difference is due mainly to gearing, not weight. Put a 4.30 in the Camaro and see that difference erased. GM gets a big F in 2011 by not offering different rear gear ratios. |
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10-06-2010, 09:34 PM | #58 | |
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10-06-2010, 10:19 PM | #59 |
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Basically put, the L99 in the auto avoids Gas Guzzler tax. In the LS3 stick, you have to deal with the Skip Shift to avoid the Gas Guzzler.
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10-06-2010, 10:32 PM | #60 | |
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same cars this time 1/ 4 mile ls3 is a little faster same cars you see a camaro on the high way going 50 you race 50 -120 the manual will win .... due you gearing and more HP... |
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10-06-2010, 10:40 PM | #61 | |
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There is a 200 lb difference. There is a 2 tenth difference. So your logical conclusion is that the difference is not due to weight? I'm just using your arguments here
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10-06-2010, 10:59 PM | #62 | |
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The 5th gen does not have much to pull off to save weight. The Mustang without the Brembo brakes still provides additional capability for weight savings over stock. Outside of the stock exhaust for the SS, what else can be pulled? You have to start digging into the interior to make any significant impact. This brings us back to the gearing diff/issue... |
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10-07-2010, 01:52 AM | #63 | |
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I notice people don't complain about the MDS in the 5.7 Hemi's
Must be a better system Ima do some reading
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And just checked, the 5.0 Redlines at 7,000 RPM and makes it's peak power at 6,500 RPM while the Camaro is making peak power at 5,900. This is generally how an OHC engine makes more power, you can simply rev it higher. Not even pretending to be knowledgable on drag racing, but physics is physics. And a 200 pound lighter car with a smaller cross sectional area is goiong to have an advantage over the heavier, larger car - all things being equal. Yes gearing will make a difference and so will the powertrains ability to make torque down low (one reason I suspect the Mustang has a 3.66 1st gear vs the Camaros 3.01 gearing). And tires.....obviously getting whatever you have under the hood hooked up is huge. But the thread was about why the Mustang offered the same engine with the manual and auto. The answer is simply FE plain and simple. And a smaller diplacement engine will usually get better FE. They use a DOHC to make great power on a higher top end which gives them the performance as well. As pointed out, the Corvette uses the LS3 in both manual and auto (unless you get the GS which gets you a "hand built" LS3 from Wixom. But a good thread non the less with good discussion. I always learn something in these.
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They do complain about MDS and many despise it. No MDS for the SRT8 (yet). No MDS for me, give me my performance car full-on (not neutered in any way).
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Get vs go, I guess.
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The 5.7 Hemi is pretty good too and getting a bump for 2011. The LS series motors have been a great success for GM. The new 5.5 DI motor should also be a winner. Can't wait to see it. |
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Looks like the 50th anniversary Stang will be getting direct injection! I'll look for the article, but a cross section of their cylinder heads show a flat indent speculated to be the spot for a future injector! Hopefully the Gen V will jump on that technology!
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I thought the Gen V engines were going to be DOHC. I could be wrong, but that's what I heard.
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