02-15-2010, 12:56 PM | #29 | |
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But the bottom line is this is basically what I've been saying yet, Nate (nallen) continues to twist this around to make sound like I was unhappy, complaining and bad mouthing the tune... which is simply untrue!
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02-15-2010, 01:49 PM | #31 |
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Looks like many valuable lessons have been learned through this experience by those involved and by some of us who didn't have to pay the price of admission. Hopefully all can walk away better for it.
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02-15-2010, 01:52 PM | #32 | |
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You left out a few details. Marvin and Brandon were assigned testing roles with my company. Marvin to test LLT programming, and Brandon to test LLT headers and tuning. First, there was some confusion over the test schedule, which I refused to commit to until Vince returned from vacation. I also refused to commit to a location for the same reason. Scheduling the header install and dyno sessions for 2 cars was difficult, since I had not met or spoken with either of them, and had no idea what their individual schedules looked like. At one point, I thought I had a good date for the header install, but we got behind on an in house project and postponed. Vince had still not returned by this time, so the only point of an early install was to make time for tuning both cars same day. Nevertheless, this upset Brandon, who managed to get the impression that the headers were "promised" to him, and therefore belonged to him. At that point, he wanted to pick the headers up and install them at home. I refused. Then, when he discovered that I had spoken to Marvin about the headers, he became further upset, and stated that we were dealing under the table with HIS headers. The point of involving Marvin was to ensure that we had a backup in case Brandon could not follow through with testing. This all came out on the day that we were scheduled to meet with them to discuss the process in more detail and finalize their schedules. I do believe, however, that the majority of the misunderstanding was with Brandon. After Brandon's email alleging "deceitful" and "deceptive" business practices, I shut the program down and handed it over to our attorney. Brandon then agreed to a misunderstanding, but I've learned recently that he's contacted several of my partners, including Vince, Nick, and members of this forum, using the same damaging language from his previous emails. Let's get something straight, fellas - this is my business. My livelihood. I will not tolerate half-baked accusations. Period. Bad reviews are fine, that's business. I've made my fair share of mistakes, and will probably make others. If I'm at fault, I will always do my best to make it right. But potentially damaging accusations based purely on your opinion of the situation will be met with unsympathetic litigation. End of conversation. Mr. Kent Ray (mrray13) is scheduled to arrive in Indy the morning of the 24th to test our ARH/Trifecta package. Install and dyno sessions will be conducted at Cozzolino Motorsports. Vince will be working with us that day, and we hope to have Kent dialed in and driving home by 2-3pm that afternoon. I've started a fresh thread to cover the project, and look forward to sharing the process with the community. This should generate plenty of data to help everyone better understand the tuning process and what Vince is capable of doing with the software. - Nate Last edited by nallen00; 02-15-2010 at 03:16 PM. |
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That's really interesting about the available timing on the stock engine. Sounds like just switching to premium fuel for the V6 may add some extra power?
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02-15-2010, 03:29 PM | #34 | |
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I also said and I quote: "I think before we all rush to judgment on all of this we need to wait for Vince to get back and review all Beauwulf's data and mine... Definitely want to be as fair as possible!" No where did I accuse anyone of anything... and as you can see I said we needed to have Vince review things when he returned before anyone started jumping to conclusions! And I had no intentions of posting anything until Vince did return...
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Ok... i see you edited me out of the litigation post...
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Now, i've never tested on the dyno or the track... but I think I will try it this spring at the track and see what happens!
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Don't even start with that!
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Okay, I gotta throw a couple cents in here.
Beauwulf and scrming have been two of the biggest reasons I've done anything to my car. I've followed their builds, and recommendations, throughout the time I've owned my car. I find them both to be honest and upstanding people and want to thank them for all their efforts. Vince has been quick in replying to my email, and for that I thank him and look forward to trying his product. I'm hoping we see some improvements using his product. I'm looking forward to feeling this car shift as Beauwulf and scrming as described. Nick @ ARH has been the same as Vince. Like the tune, I look forward to seeing, hearing and feeling Nick's product on the car! Nate has been prompt and straightforward in all his contact with me. Even clarifying an issue or two that I asked about. I'm looking forward to meeting him and getting this thing done! I want to thank all the principles involved in this, Nate, Nick and Vince, for the opportunity to test their products and services and hopefully help my achieve my goal of 300^2. Also, after all is done in Indy, I will arrange another dyno run, allbeit on a my home dyno, and see if the results have stayed. In my previous experience working with the exhaust, I believe they will, as they have in the past. I'll give the products a few weeks before the dyno as I have in the past. Hopefully, I'll have a CAI to tune as well, lol, soon.
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My sole interest is not selling product. This is an engineering consultancy, not a warehouse... Your statement implied a potential issue with the programming, and was interpreted that way by more than one member. You may not have intended it to, but it was. That's all I'm getting at here. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of not better informing the community of the exact issues at play. I accept that... I wish both of you the best of luck, and look forward to following your progress with Vince. - Nate |
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I'd just like to find some premium fuel in my area with no ethanol. I've seen the knock sensors just as active running the higher E10 blend we get compared to the straight gas lower octane stuff.
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