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*DGthe3* · 09-19-2010, 02:18 AM

Best way to actually compare weights between manufactures is to see what they state for curb weight. That way, you don't run into a no-option car being weighed with 1/8th of a tank a then compared against another loaded car with a full tank. Simplifies things so much.

Curb weight for the 2011 GT500 is 3820 lbs.

v6sonoma · 09-19-2010, 02:37 AM

Just came across this on autoblog. Looks like the 2011 Challenger is getting a boost across the HP lineup with the SRT now pumping out 475hp 460tq. Come on Chevy! We need that Z28!

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/18/l...-in-the-srt-6/

Black5thgen · 09-19-2010, 05:08 AM

It's cool to see Dodge use cubic inch call outs instead of litres. 392 sounds so much cooler than 6.4L. If GM didn't have such cool engine codes like "LS3", I would love to see "376" badges.

1badSS/RS · 09-19-2010, 06:01 AM

That 6.4 is bad.

SGOS252382 · 09-19-2010, 06:17 AM

You definately don't need the Z28 to compete with a 475hp Challenger.

The Challenger is a very heavy car. That increase in HP will "probably - I'm still not convinced" bring it up to Mustang GT and Camaro SS straight line performance.

GM just needs to bump the power up a few ponies on the SS to take car of both the Mustang GT and the up coming Challenger.

The Z28 is to compete with the big boys. The Z28 will make at least 550 hp and weigh considerably less than the Challenger. There's no competition there. The Competition is the GT500 for the Z28.

MG · 09-19-2010, 06:26 AM

Folks I think we're in for a surprise here. True the 6.4 HEMI isnt all that much more powerful than the 6.1, but the there is the 8 speed ZF transmission, as well as a few more yet to be known features. Ralph Gilles reportedly said the new SRT8 will do the 0-60 in under 4 seconds. Also, they wouldnt list it as competing with the GT500 if it couldnt.

They also want to make the new Jeep SRT8, which also packs the 6.4, the fastest SUV in the world! It was spotted testing with the X5 M, which is faster thant our SS's.

If we ever needed a Z28, now's the time more than ever.

kevin2323 · 09-19-2010, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

It's cool to see Dodge use cubic inch call outs instead of litres. 392 sounds so much cooler than 6.4L. If GM didn't have such cool engine codes like "LS3", I would love to see "376" badges.

yea its old school as hell, love it.

i think chevy's 7 liter v8 is a 427 correct me if im wrong?

mr. anderson · 09-19-2010, 08:59 AM

49 hp difference is not gonna make up for the 330 lb weight difference between a SS and a SRT-8. plus that ad said 245/45ZR20 tires, on inch less of traction on each side... more horse power less traction,

great idea....

SuperFly03 · 09-19-2010, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. anderson

49 hp difference is not gonna make up for the 330 lb weight difference between a SS and a SRT-8. plus that ad said 245/45ZR20 tires, on inch less of traction on each side... more horse power less traction,

great idea....

I wonder if that isn't a staggered wheel with the 245's up front and something else out back. When I look up the SS or GT500 the front wheel size is shown but we all know out back there is thicker rubber.

cab2g · 09-19-2010, 09:25 AM

I'd be all for the 392 Hemi if I could afford it. But at that price, I might as well buy a 1971 cuda with a 340 and swap it for a new 426 crate engine

I mean I'd probably spend like 5-10k more for that setup and it'd be way more kickass

You may ask, why not a 1970 cuda? Well I'd really like one of those, but you pay a premium for that model year over all others. If I had a ton of money, I'd just buy a 1970 440+6 or 426

assasinator · 09-19-2010, 09:28 AM

well, depending on how dodge engineered the 392, it now has the most potential.

ok so the LS3 dynoed 480hp on an engine dyno with offroad tune, and long tube headers. i bet the 392 exceeds 500hp with the same setup. the 392 is the new N/A hp king.

nobody can have it both ways. if cubes rule, then they rule. if torque is king, then it is. dodge makes more of both. my little 5.0 cant compete with 392.

motorhead · 09-19-2010, 09:43 AM

If this is the real numbers ,it is a major fail for dodge. The srt-8 is the GT500's competition not the SS camaro. I don't really know what every one is hyped up about. The R/T is the SS competitor, and we have that covered pretty easy. And if these are the right #numbers for the srt8 then the z/28 will blow the doors off of it. Chrysler doesn't make any sense to me doing what there doing. To bring out a larger motor and only add 50hp over the old one is a major fail. They need to get into the game or just stay clear.
It's a shame because it's the best looking car of the three.

Sleestack · 09-19-2010, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. anderson

49 hp difference is not gonna make up for the 330 lb weight difference between a SS and a SRT-8. plus that ad said 245/45ZR20 tires, on inch less of traction on each side... more horse power less traction,

great idea....

The curb weight of the SRT8 is 4140lbs, thus the difference between the SS and SRT8 is 290lbs. The difference is more skewed in favor of the 475HP SRT8 if you compare against the 400HP L99. The new SRT8 will have the power edge over the SS and GT, unless GM and Ford counter in the same year.

SRT8 HP vs Wt = 8.69
SS LS3 HP vs Wt = 9.04
GT HP vs Wt = 8.75

usmc8411 · 09-19-2010, 10:58 AM

You guys act like a Challenger RT is a joke, Id bet most of you would get walked by a seasoned driver in a Challenger RT vs a 2010 SS stock for stock.

50 hp is more than enough to make up for 300lbs. Quit living in fantasy land.

09-19-2010, 02:18 AM	#57
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09-19-2010, 02:37 AM	#58
v6sonoma Drives: 2010 SS RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Providence, RI Posts: 8,108 View My Garage	Looks like the competition is getting tougher! Just came across this on autoblog. Looks like the 2011 Challenger is getting a boost across the HP lineup with the SRT now pumping out 475hp 460tq. Come on Chevy! We need that Z28! http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/18/l...-in-the-srt-6/ __________________ Mods: BBK Intake, BBK LT's and High Flow Cats, Corsa Cat-back exhaust, Hurst short throw shifter, SLP skip-shift eliminator. 7/1/09 Placed order for IOM/IO int/ SS/RS 6M 9/26/09 Took delivery!

09-19-2010, 09:25 AM	#66
cab2g love. my. car. Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,372 View My Garage	I'd be all for the 392 Hemi if I could afford it. But at that price, I might as well buy a 1971 cuda with a 340 and swap it for a new 426 crate engine I mean I'd probably spend like 5-10k more for that setup and it'd be way more kickass You may ask, why not a 1970 cuda? Well I'd really like one of those, but you pay a premium for that model year over all others. If I had a ton of money, I'd just buy a 1970 440+6 or 426 __________________

09-19-2010, 09:28 AM	#67
assasinator 1 n the head,2 n da chest Drives: 2002 cadillac deville Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: huntsville al. Posts: 659	well, depending on how dodge engineered the 392, it now has the most potential. ok so the LS3 dynoed 480hp on an engine dyno with offroad tune, and long tube headers. i bet the 392 exceeds 500hp with the same setup. the 392 is the new N/A hp king. nobody can have it both ways. if cubes rule, then they rule. if torque is king, then it is. dodge makes more of both. my little 5.0 cant compete with 392. __________________ 2011GT E85, Kooks 1-7/8", 3" offroad X, 2-7/8" overaxles, Roush mufflers, CobraJet intake, SCJ monoblade throttle body, drew 4.5" CAI, Boss302S exhaust valve springs, Baby CobraJet exhaust cams. 3.73 gears, lightweight 300A. 455rwhp @7800/410rwtq SAE 5000lb roller dynojet

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09-19-2010, 05:08 AM	#59
Black5thgen Account Suspended Drives: 2007 C6 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: chicago Posts: 2,251 View My Garage	It's cool to see Dodge use cubic inch call outs instead of litres. 392 sounds so much cooler than 6.4L. If GM didn't have such cool engine codes like "LS3", I would love to see "376" badges.

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1badSS/RS Drives: Rally Yellow Transformers pkg Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: crossville,tennessee Posts: 1,043	That 6.4 is bad.

09-19-2010, 06:17 AM	#61
SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 6,294	You definately don't need the Z28 to compete with a 475hp Challenger. The Challenger is a very heavy car. That increase in HP will "probably - I'm still not convinced" bring it up to Mustang GT and Camaro SS straight line performance. GM just needs to bump the power up a few ponies on the SS to take car of both the Mustang GT and the up coming Challenger. The Z28 is to compete with the big boys. The Z28 will make at least 550 hp and weigh considerably less than the Challenger. There's no competition there. The Competition is the GT500 for the Z28.

09-19-2010, 06:26 AM	#62
MG Drives: 2011 Camaro Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 627	Folks I think we're in for a surprise here. True the 6.4 HEMI isnt all that much more powerful than the 6.1, but the there is the 8 speed ZF transmission, as well as a few more yet to be known features. Ralph Gilles reportedly said the new SRT8 will do the 0-60 in under 4 seconds. Also, they wouldnt list it as competing with the GT500 if it couldnt. They also want to make the new Jeep SRT8, which also packs the 6.4, the fastest SUV in the world! It was spotted testing with the X5 M, which is faster thant our SS's. If we ever needed a Z28, now's the time more than ever.

09-19-2010, 08:59 AM	#64
mr. anderson Drives: 2015 Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Moore, OK Posts: 113	49 hp difference is not gonna make up for the 330 lb weight difference between a SS and a SRT-8. plus that ad said 245/45ZR20 tires, on inch less of traction on each side... more horse power less traction, great idea....

09-19-2010, 09:43 AM	#68
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	If this is the real numbers ,it is a major fail for dodge. The srt-8 is the GT500's competition not the SS camaro. I don't really know what every one is hyped up about. The R/T is the SS competitor, and we have that covered pretty easy. And if these are the right #numbers for the srt8 then the z/28 will blow the doors off of it. Chrysler doesn't make any sense to me doing what there doing. To bring out a larger motor and only add 50hp over the old one is a major fail. They need to get into the game or just stay clear. It's a shame because it's the best looking car of the three.

09-19-2010, 10:58 AM	#70
usmc8411 Account Suspended Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: hannibal mo Posts: 207	You guys act like a Challenger RT is a joke, Id bet most of you would get walked by a seasoned driver in a Challenger RT vs a 2010 SS stock for stock. 50 hp is more than enough to make up for 300lbs. Quit living in fantasy land.