07-22-2009, 03:44 PM | #85 | |
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1. I wasn't freaking out 2. He wasn't racing Here's what Brian said: The car was a week old, and he was getting ready to strip it down to make a real race car out of it. But before doing that, he wanted to take it to the track to see what it was in stock form, for a benchmark. Before hitting the track, he did swap out the pads. He then tested the car on a road course, and during his second stint, the brake pedal went to the floor. He parked the car, flushed the fluid, took it on the track again and the pedal went to the floor again, this time in the third stint. Now I don't know how hard he was running it, and how hard he was braking. But it sounded to me like it was comparable to an HPDE track day. My only surprise is that the Brembo brakes failed. Brian's opinion is not only would you need ATE Super Blue, but you might also need ducting to cool things off. If the Super Blue is all it takes to have awesome brakes on the track for an HPDE, then that's cool with me...
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07-22-2009, 10:49 PM | #86 |
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Sounds like he might have had air in the line. No offense to him, but nobody's perfect.
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07-23-2009, 12:22 AM | #87 |
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the rotors look like they are on backwards. or are they like that for more stopping power. seems like the left should be on the right and the right should be on the left.
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07-23-2009, 06:53 AM | #88 | |
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Sounds to me like everything was too hot even after his second bleed, once you boil the fluid its in bad shape. Before making a final determination on what would be needed to track this car there would definitely need to be much more testing done. Extra brake cooling is never a bad idea tho IMO.
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07-23-2009, 09:35 PM | #89 | |
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Fail. The stock Brembos are great street brakes. Phenomenal, considering they're working against about 4000 lbs and 430hp. However, putting an unprepped car on the track and pushing it to 7/10ths+ and expecting factory stuff to work is just ridiculous. This is the same story with virtually all cars. Hawk Blue or Porterfield R4 pads, some RGS610 or comparable fluid, maybe an aftermarket 2 piece rotor to dissipate heat, and you should be golden. Ducting if you've got a lot of HEAVY braking or you're just that good (or bad). The calipers have more than enough People have to prep their Z06s, M3s, Vipers, and so on and so forth the same way. Stuff designed to work on the street usually doesn't work on the track and vice versa. Those pads I mentioned? GARBAGE on the street. Great on the track. Changing pads on the Brembos is a breeze too. You can do it at the track before you go out, and swap them back to drive home. Have to rebed your street pads after, but that's not an issue for someone who wants to track-day their car.
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07-24-2009, 07:51 PM | #90 | |
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I learned the hard way that braking hard repeatedly from triple-digit mph is not what a stock brake system was designed for.
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I have the car. I also have an LS1 to compare it to. There is a night and day difference between the two. The brakes on my 2001 LS1 are similar to what you get on today's Mustang GT. The stock Brembo brakes on this car are unbelievable! They may not be Brembo's top of the line but do they really need to be? Put it this way, when I have to make a sudden stop on the highway at 70 MPH (done it), I don't worry about hitting the guy in front of me, I worry about the guy behind me running into my ass. Those mega piston calipers shown here are what should be offered on a Z (should it come out). BTW - wanna get a Vette guy ticked off? Park next to a C5 Z06 and compare the rear brakes.....
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07-24-2009, 08:41 PM | #92 |
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That's a really good look I like the drilled rotars they really make the car even more sexier then it already is.
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07-24-2009, 10:44 PM | #93 |
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I don't mean to sling mud, but for the price for the front only as stated in the first post, a set of carbon ceramic disk brakes are possible.
The 4th Gen kit with Porsche 996 calipers and a set of carbon ceramic rotors were in the $4500 range. To be fair, I don't remember the size of the rotors, but it shouldn't be double the price to add and extra inch of rotor diameter...
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07-25-2009, 08:51 AM | #94 | |
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these brakes are for every day driving not racing. if you look at the manual on page 8-7, it says that for competitive driving the brake fluid should be changed for a higher temp brake fluid....
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07-25-2009, 01:45 PM | #97 |
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4250 for the front and 3395 for the rear?! thats retail im guessing. i can get it cheaper thn that. looks good.
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07-26-2009, 08:35 PM | #98 | |
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Your car comes with real Brembo brakes. Same ones you'd get on an STi, Evo, GT500, CTS-V, ect. They are 2 piece aluminum calipers. They are not "basic brakes" at all. Standard cars come with 1 or 2 piston sliding calipers, made of either cast iron or aluminum. They are MORE than adequate for street duty and normal track use. You would only need to upgrade if you were getting into some seriously competitive road racing with engine mods and higher speeds. |
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