My K&N Experiment

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by usa1camaro1969

I just installed the Typhoon and noticed the sealing issue also. I have an LS so I have no fog lights and am considering using your seal remedy along with opening the driver's side fog light and routing a tube up and connecting to the heat shield.

It's funny you should say that. I'm really tempted to try to get some ram
air from those fog light holes but once again we have water and debris
being ingested directly into the intake area.

[boxcar]

Here's the link for the washer bag
click options
then you want the flexible washer bag

MFR # jw-213

http://www.jcwhitney.com/electric-wi.../p2004481.jcwx

I paid 21$ a week ago now there $4.95!!

talk about cheap HP one dollor for the foam and $5 for the washer!!

[fr8sty]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Sure I'll post another from the side but I'm not sure there's much else to
see. If anyone who's not to confident in there wrenching skills
would like a step by step of the washer bottle removal I'd be happy to post
it. It's very easy.

I'd REALLY like a K&N or Airaid guy to try this. I don't want to sound
like a cheerleader for this project until somebody else chimes in with there
results. all I can say is it appears to really wake this car up

I just put my K&N on three weeks ago and felt like there isn't enough cool air getting in either. Send me the step by step of the washer removal (sorry, noob here). I'll rig it up like your's and see if there's any change.

[GUNIT]

I'm gonna try this also. Ordered the bag tonight. Bring on the steps and pics.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by GUNIT

I'm gonna try this also. Ordered the bag tonight. Bring on the steps and pics.

OK I'll post a step by step later but first just an observation on this
whole intake thing. I believe the stock GM intake truly is a COLD air
intake. The snorkel is sealed to the back of grill where it's getting air from
a scoop in the front of the grill NO air is coming from the engine bay.

Now If we install an intake such as the K&N or Airade we're getting more
air but unless It's completely sealed were sucking hotter air than designed
for the car possibly much hotter negating much of the gain of the after market intake.

Just my .02

Also there's a good reason GM restricted the air flow. They must design
there cars for driving in the worst possible conditions. So even if it's raining
frogs we expect the car to operate so we need to proceed carefully
with any modifications

[boxcar]

WASHER BOTTLE DELETE FOR NOOBS

Tools Required

3/8 ratchet
1/2 socket
6in Ext.
Phillips screwdriver
Dinner Knife or similar

I'm oversimplifying alot here especially the jacking and tire removal but if it keeps someone from getting hurt or damaging there car it's worth it so please no face palms

1.JACK THE CAR
Make sure it's in gear with the e-brake fully on. My jack was wedged very tightly in
the trunk I had to use the tire iron to loosen the jack screw.

Find the correct spot! about 7 inches aft of the fender is an opening in the plastic. The metal you feel there goes in the Vee on top of the jack. Jack it up till the wheel is just touching the ground then SLIGHTLY loosen each nut in a criss cross pattern. Remember
lefty loosey. Jack it up the rest of the way and remove the nuts and tire. At this point the car should put on a jack stand of some sort. I did not

You just accomplished the hardest part of this project!

2. Remove 3 Screws from wheel well shroud on left side near fender.Now you have to remove the push pin fastener thats right in frontof you to the left of the spring. It'sa PIA. I know some of the injen guys broke this fastener while doing this. It's no big deal
though. I'm sure GM will sell you another. But I was determined to get it out with out breaking it. I tried several different tools but what worked best a dinner knife!
yes I bent the knife and no I didn't tell my wife.Take your time, work all the way around
the head when you have it loosened up either get some needle nose pliers around the stem or CAREFULLY pull on the shroud to pull it out. DO NOT allow fastener to pull thru the shroud! If you break the pin I have a trick so you can replace it at a later time with out removing the wheel.

3. REMOVE ELEC CONNECTION
Before you go any further figure out what you want to do with the washer fluid.
If your going to put it in that other car in the driveway open the hood now and take the
top off because you'll have your hands full. You'll see.

Now gently pull back the shroud and you'll see that funny looking W/B. Why the hell is it so big? Iv'e owned RV's that had smaller. Anyways remove the elec connection by gently pulling on the tab DON'T break the tab! and pulling up on the connector

4. REMOVE BOLTS

There are 3 bolts to remove the 1st one you see will be removed last
loosen all three, you will have to feel for the front two and use the 6in ext.
Remove the front 2.

Now things get a little messy

If required put a small pan under the W/B Now remove the rubber hose. fluid will now come out but not that much. The hose is now snaked up the W/B. unwind it from the W/B. Take out the last bolt and your done!

It may be helpful to have someone hold the shroud but it's not necessary and if it's
your wife don't let her see the bent knife.

Reinstall Shroud and wheel and go have fun

Hope I didn't forget much

for some pics do search for injen install

[fr8sty]

Finally got to the washer bottle removal today. It was very simple (Thx @boxcar). Took it out for a spin and I definately felt a difference in the car's acceleration and power. I also tried adding "trim" to the top of the heat shield to seal the area off, but found that my car really lost a lot of power and was sluggish. Took it off and we were back in business!

Would love to see if anyone else tried this and found the same result. I'm also going to go back and put the stock back on just for grins

Here are some before and after pics if anyone is interested.

[Michael_Js]

Now, if your V6 bay is the same as the V8, get an ADM Race Scoop and add that! I did the same thing you guys have done, but also opened up some of the lower grill plastic which lets in a lot more fresh air. I just ordered ADM's race scoop which attaches to 2 of the bolts that the washer bottle was attached with. They show you how much to cut from the plastic of the V8 lower grille (Inside the grille, not the grille actually). I'm hoping that improve the air intake.

great job!
Oh, good tip on using the OEM washer motor. I have to try that I just used the one that came with the washer bag and T-Tapped into the existing 2 wires.

[boxcar]

fr8sty

Glad it worked for you !

It felt like it took about 100 miles for the computer to relearn
so it just keeps getting better. Also remember It's getting hotter outside
so we should be making less power but mine feels like it dropped
500 lbs.

Great Pics! that should help someone out

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Michael_Js

Now, if your V6 bay is the same as the V8, get an ADM Race Scoop and add that! I did the same thing you guys have done, but also opened up some of the lower grill plastic which lets in a lot more fresh air. I just ordered ADM's race scoop which attaches to 2 of the bolts that the washer bottle was attached with. They show you how much to cut from the plastic of the V8 lower grille (Inside the grille, not the grille actually). I'm hoping that improve the air intake.

great job!
Oh, good tip on using the OEM washer motor. I have to try that I just used the one that came with the washer bag and T-Tapped into the existing 2 wires.

Thanks for the tip on the scoop

Thats just the final piece needed for this project

[usa1camaro1969]

And it will keep me from removing the fog light covers.

[nachocheese]

I wonder how the ADM scoop would work with the Airaid? Maybe I would have to cut some holes in the bottom of the filter housing.

[boxcar]

nacho

Is the airaid completely closed at the bottom?. If it is I don't see how it could be sucking any more air than the stock intake. Unless it's hot engine air. \

Get the sawzall out and cut that bottom out. Pull the WB and tell me what you think!

Hey if you do pull your filter do me a favor. Please measure the diameter {across}
of top and bottom of filter also the length of filter.

Doing public math,which always puts me at risk, I estimate the K&N filter to have
25% more surface area than the injen filter. I'm guessing the airaid will be similar.This larger surface area combined with not having to wear the water sock. Should lead to considerable more airflow.

[nachocheese]

The airaid using the stock snorkel. It seals to the hood with a rubber gasket. I think the idea is that is more free flowing than stock. I might need to see some dyno numbers on the open bottom intakes before I go chopping into mine. I also would like to wait on my V2 Airaid before comparing. I may try the WB pull though.